tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33825133.post7370068683167872217..comments2023-04-02T10:35:16.963-04:00Comments on k is for counter: Whatever the Dealcodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11407919985914326282noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33825133.post-85881859646619181442010-05-04T13:16:34.310-04:002010-05-04T13:16:34.310-04:00I guess more to the point: FOGBANK and the Apollo ...I guess more to the point: FOGBANK and the Apollo cabin would be of little interest to rebuilding society, while the scientific and engineering knowledge required to build a lunar-faring capsule or a transonic passenger jet would both persist in the form of hundreds of different books, many of which exist in thousands, or perhaps even millions of copies. This is ignoring all the really important issues, like modern farming techniques & technologies, electrical engineering, petroleum production & processing... those things that make up significant portions of modern society.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13091819892443159832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33825133.post-45325616356468775952010-05-04T13:10:54.105-04:002010-05-04T13:10:54.105-04:00A more thorough retort: of course if information i...A more thorough retort: of course if information is held by a single individual, or a single organization, and they want to keep it secret, then it's odds of persisting are terribly decreased. Likewise, if information is stored in a single repository, it's odds of being lost are greatly increased.<br /><br />However, knowledge that has been shared, especially on the internet, is very different than your examples. Proprietary information will always hold the greatest risk of loss, but that is the price paid for secrets. Another example, I think it was in an Air & Space magazine years ago that I read that the IRS tried to audit the SkunkWorks program that built the F-117, and they had no receipts or anything to show for the project because they had been destroying any trace of it, apparently.<br /><br />Notice however, that all of your modern examples rely on the secrecy and competition surrounding the information lost, and that when such secrets are discovered by the public, they often rapidly spread through many media, from textbooks to the internet, and it is this process that I am describing makes it very difficult to reset human knowledge.<br /><br />I would argue that the vast majority of technology that you rely on in your modern life, is very well documented in hundreds or thousands of books, hard drives, people's heads, etc. It is this knowledge that I expect would persist through cataclysm, and would allow for even a small group of survivors to rapidly recover modern technology.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13091819892443159832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33825133.post-86837981441804956802010-04-30T09:31:06.523-04:002010-04-30T09:31:06.523-04:00Hmm, you have a good point. What if I changed it t...Hmm, you have a good point. What if I changed it to, "<i>public</i> knowledge"?codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11407919985914326282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33825133.post-39858793666334300192010-04-30T07:22:44.639-04:002010-04-30T07:22:44.639-04:00knowledge has always defied destruction, even in t...<i>knowledge has always defied destruction, even in times of heavy persecution</i><br /><br /><b>Very, very untrue!</b><br />Roman mortar, original <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple" rel="nofollow">Tyrian purple</a>, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=6pU4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=pilema+fabric&source=bl&ots=JFtphBKfnH&sig=q9jWir272nOLrZBk7wOfiO2Grko&hl=en&ei=N7raS5bYEJj8sQb4-a3MDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=pilema%20fabric&f=false" rel="nofollow">Pilema</a>, Library of Alexandria, etc, etc, etc...<br />And it keeps going, we are POSITIVELY UNABLE to rebuild copies of the Concord or the Apollo cabin, not to speak of the infamous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOGBANK" rel="nofollow">fogbank</a>.<br />I personally know a Chinese man whose grand father secretly burnt his own library during the cultural revolution not to be caught with it.Kevembuanggahttp://www.kevembuangga.com/blog/noreply@blogger.com